‘Are we dating the same guy?’ These women-run groups are accused of being toxic, but they carry a feminist legacy

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‘Are we dating the same guy?’ These women-run groups are accused of being toxic, but they carry a feminist legacy

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In 2022, a social network was

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in New York for women to share warnings about their interactions with men on dating apps. These were men who had allegedly lied, manipulated, cheated on, ghosted, used or abused them.

Since then, “

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?” (AWDTSG) groups have exploded online across

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and other social platforms, attracting anywhere from hundreds to more than 150,000 members depending on the city they serve.

These groups are trying to improve women’s online safety where dating app developers are failing. In doing so, they’re tapping into a long history of feminist initiatives aimed at protecting women from allegedly hostile or predatory men.

How it works

Globally, millions of women gather in AWDTSG groups. The majority of these private digital spaces are explicit about their intent. The first group to emerge had the unofficial motto: “It’s about protecting women, not judging men.” This has been widely adopted by offshoots.

Posts follow two main themes: unprompted “red flag” warnings about men women have dated, and prompts for “tea or red flags” about potential dates. The men in these posts are identified by name and location, and at least one dating profile screenshot.

Posts can be made anonymously so women don’t risk retaliation, but are vetted by moderators to ensure they comply with group rules.

Safety is never guaranteed

Online dating apps are often framed as a necessary evil in the 2020s. They conform to the same conventions as early chatrooms such as

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, MSN Messenger and

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(internet relay chat), and digital classifieds such as Craigslist and Gumtree.

These sites enabled

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with strangers without any vetting; the onus of safety

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. They have become the source of both heartwarming

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, as well as tales of

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and

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offenses.

Dating app developers

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there are safety risks inherent to their business model—and they’ve yet to adequately address them. Many apps have an optional verification feature, but this merely weeds out catfishes: people using a fake online identity. It doesn’t guarantee safety.

Bumble advertises itself as a

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app that’s focused on

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, as women must initiate the conversations with their matches. However, as posts on AWDTSG groups demonstrate, this puts the onus on women

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.

Dating app users have to open themselves to random interactions with strangers (and therefore to unqualified risk) just to be able to use the service. One 2022 survey found three in four people experienced ****** while using these apps.

A history of women supporting women

Historically, governments and communities have been reticent to take responsibility for family and domestic *********. In the 1970s, those in the women’s liberation movement understood they had very limited protections from ******* and physical ****** that came at the hands of

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.

This prompted the liberationists to form

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. These groups aimed to spread knowledge about the many facets of women’s oppression, and implement solutions such as providing

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for women and children escaping family *********.

Into the 1990s, women and ****** started to embrace new kinds of feminism that aggressively prioritized the sisterhood over men, including “

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” and “

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” feminism.

These branches built on the gains of

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which taught women they could, and should, embrace power and step up to solve their problems. That same decade,

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spawned from the merger of these ideas, teaching women the way to solve societal sexism was to solve it themselves.

AWDTSG groups follow in these footsteps. By providing a space where women can support and empower each other, they fulfill the consciousness raising and DIY aspirations of previous generations of feminists.

They also demonstrate how, even now, there are limited societal protections for women who

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, or may face, ********* or harassment by men.

The counterargument

Both the admins and members of AWDTSG groups face risks in the process of facilitating these spaces. While group posts mainly remain private, there can be retaliation or even

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repercussions when someone “snitches” and leaks a post.

In cases where men have discovered posts about them and wish to have them removed, the admins tend to only do this if the man is willing to

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(which they usually are). This ensures women undermining the group’s aims of sisterhood and safety are named, shamed and removed.

Several counter group such as

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,

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, and

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have emerged to rail against the movement. They claim AWDTSG groups enable the bullying and shaming of men just for being bad dates.

The goals of both the pro- and counter-AWDTSG groups give rise to

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. Each side can end up facilitating forms of “bullying,” “toxicity” and even

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against individuals.

Gray areas

Anti-AWDTSG groups claim they support protecting women from truly violent men, but a lack of verification means there are more

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than true ones.

Last month, a man from Chicago launched a

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against the city’s AWDTSG group and several social media sites, including Meta, for defamation. The case seeks to force the host platforms, primarily

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, to regulate these private groups to protect men.

Off the back of that, a new group

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was formed. It aims to bring men together to potentially sue

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and the groups it hosts for defamation.

It’ll be interesting to see how the case plays out, and whether platforms profiting from women’s engagement in AWDTSG groups are willing to take sides in this supposed battle of the sexes.

Either way, one thing is certain: the patriarchy’s influence is diminished in a generation of tech-savvy women who wholeheartedly believe the “

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