See how Trump and Harris’ stances on military support compare

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See how Trump and Harris’ stances on military support compare

There are similarities between former President Donald Trump and President Biden on long-term armed forces strategy, but in the run-up to the 2024 election, stark differences in Harris and Trump’s view of the military’s role have emerged.

Trump, having been commander-in-chief, has a policy record and views on the military. But former advisers with whom he clashed during his presidency have warned that a second Trump administration could look much different than the first. 

Harris doesn’t have as much in her background that illuminates her views of the role of the active-duty military. But it’s likely a Harris administration would follow the norms of previous presidents and the national defense strategy under President Biden. 

The Ukraine conflict

The Biden-Harris administration has committed to support Ukraine with military assistance but has drawn the line at providing U.S. troops on the ground. 

Trump on the campaign trail has said ****** would never have invaded Ukraine while he was president and has claimed without providing a plan that he could end the war in a day. 

NATO

Harris at the

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earlier this year reaffirmed the U.S. commitment to NATO. Under Article 5 of the NATO treaty, an ******* on any NATO member country would be considered an ******* on all NATO countries, and each country would contribute to the collective defense of the alliance — including the use of armed force. During the Biden-Harris administration, NATO welcomed two more members — Finland and Sweden — to the alliance. 

As president, Trump criticized NATO members for not paying more for their own defense, and since then more NATO countries have made

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. On the campaign trail in February, he said “Russia could do whatever they want” if NATO members don’t pay more for their own defense. 

******* and the ********

Harris has called the relationship between the U.S. and ******* an important alliance, but also says ******* must do more to prevent civilian casualties in its operations. The Biden administration at one point paused one shipment of 2,000-pound ******, warning it wouldn’t supply weapons for an offensive in Rafah, but it has continued shipping other arms. 

Trump who 

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“a protector” of *******, has also called for a quick end to the *******-Gaza conflict, saying in October, “I will support *******’s right to win its war on *******, and it has to win it fast.” 

China

Mr. Biden has said the U.S. would come to Taiwan’s aid if China invaded, but Harris in an interview with “60 Minutes” stuck with the official U.S. policy of “strategic ambiguity.” She has said it’s important to support Taiwan’s ability to defend itself. 

Trump has dodged questions on whether the U.S. would come to the aid of Taiwan if China invaded. In an interview earlier this year,

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 Taiwan should pay the U.S. more for helping in its defense. 

Trump and “the ****** within” 

The U.S. military’s primary role is to defend the country from external threats, but during his campaign, Trump has suggested he might try to deploy the military against his political opponents at home.  

In October, Trump said in an interview that on Election Day, there would be threats that “are the people from within.”

“We have some ***** people, ******** left lunatics. And I think they’re the — and it should be very easily handled by — if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen,” Trump told Fox News in mid-October. 

Since Trump made those remarks, John Kelly, a retired four-star Marine general and Trump’s former chief of staff, has spoken about interactions he had with Trump that raised concerns the former president, if elected again, could rule like a dictator. 

Kelly told The New York Times in October, “This issue of using the military on — to go after — ********* citizens is one of those things I think is a very, very bad thing — even to say it for political purposes to get elected — I think it’s a very, very bad thing, let alone actually doing it.” He also told the Times that Trump fit the definition of a fascist.

Trump and his campaign have denied Kelly’s accounts. 

In 2020, during nationwide protests related to the ****** of George Floyd, Trump threatened to use military force against protesters. “If a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the ******* States military and quickly solve the problem for them,” Trump said. After rioting in Washington, D.C., he said, “I am dispatching thousands and thousands of heavily armed soldiers, military personnel and law enforcement officers to stop the rioting, looting, vandalism, assaults and the wanton destruction of property.”

Then-Defense Secretary Mark Esper, said Trump wanted to send 10,000 active-duty military troops to confront protesters in D.C. In May 2022, Esper told “CBS Evening News” anchor Norah O’Donnell that during a June 2020 meeting about the rioters, Trump said, “‘Can’t you just ****** them? Just ****** them in the legs or something.'” Esper said Trump was “suggesting that’s what we should do, that we should bring in the troops and ****** the protesters.” (Trump has called Esper’s assertions “a complete lie.”)

Esper said in a statement after the meeting with Trump that he did not support the use of the Insurrection Act, the use of active-duty forces in a law enforcement role. Days after the 2020 election, Trump fired him.

Harris condemns use of military at home 

Harris has condemned the idea of using military force domestically. 

She has pointed to Trump’s comments on the U.S. military handling the “****** within” as one reason she believes a “second Trump term would be a huge risk for America — and dangerous.”

The Biden administration, like the Trump administration and previous administrations of both parties, has used the National Guard and a small number of active-duty troops at the southern border to support Customs and Border Protection. 

What are Donald Trump’s views on the military?

During his administration, Trump’s national defense strategy pointed to Russia and China as the greatest threats to the U.S. national defense. 

But that strategy was written by Trump’s then-Defense Secretary and retired Gen. James Mattis. Mattis entered the Trump administration in 2017 and was terminated before Trump’s presidency ended.  

Trump told Fox News, “The ****** from within, in my opinion, is more dangerous than China, Russia, and all these countries, because if you have a smart president, he can handle them pretty easily.” 

On the campaign trail, Trump has both acknowledged the long-term goals of China and Russia and at the same time praised the countries’ authoritarian leaders. 

At a rally in March, Trump called ******** President Xi Jinping “smart” and said he was at the “top of his game.” He also called Russian President Vladimir ****** “smart,” and said the two were “very smart people standing there talking about the world order for the next 100 years.” 

During his presidency, Trump seemed to side with ****** over the U.S. intelligence community on its assessment that Russia had tried to meddle in the 2016 presidential election. “Dan Coats came to me, and some others, they said they think it’s Russia,” Trump said at a 2018 news conference after meeting with ******. “I have President ******, he just said it’s not Russia. I will say this, I don’t see any reason why it would be.” Later, he said he had misspoken. 

What are Kamala Harris’ views on the military?

The national defense strategy under the Biden administration didn’t stray much from Trump’s. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin identified China as “the pacing challenge” — or the threat that the Defense Department has to keep up with long-term — and Russia “the acute challenge,” or the threat that could present problems in the near term. 

Harris was vice president when the strategy was drafted, and Austin told reporters earlier this year that Harris was “a key player.” 

“Having observed her provide input to some very complex decision making processes, she is always prepared, she always provides meaningful and very helpful input,” Austin said at a press conference in July. “The president is the major player in the process, but she is a key player,” 

In an interview with “60 Minutes,” Harris was asked which country was the U.S. greatest adversary.

“I think there’s an obvious one in mind, which is Iran,” she said. 

Amid the conflict in the Middle East, recent weeks have seen Hezbollah in Lebanon and Houthis in Yemen — both proxies of Iran — launch missiles, rockets and drones against *******, and Iranian-backed militias ***** on U.S. troops stationed in Iraq and Syria. In response, the U.S. has conducted airstrikes against Iranian weapons facilities in Syria. The U.S. has also deployed two aircraft carrier strike groups to the region.

Politicization of the military

The U.S. military’s role has traditionally been to defend the country from external threats at the direction of elected civilians, while staying out of partisan politics. 

Both political parties have tried to gain political advantage by trying to link candidates to high approval ratings from the military, but Trump has gone further to tie his relationship with the military and the use of military force to his own political objectives. 

And Trump’s recent comments suggesting he’d use the military “against the ****** from within” differentiate him from Harris — and from most presidents on the relationship between the military and civilian society. The comments build off ideas he had during his first term to use U.S. military troops, rather than civilian law enforcement for domestic issues like protests. 

The Posse Comitatus Act generally bans using the military for domestic unrest, but there is a rarely-used loophole called the 1807 Insurrection Act that allows the president to use the military domestically if warranted. It was most recently used in 1992 by President George H.W. Bush after both city and state leaders

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During his administration, Trump surrounded himself with advisers, many of them retired high-ranking generals, who recommended against using the military as a domestic tool and invoking the Insurrection Act. A second administration, however, may be different since his relationship with many of the men he initially praised as “my generals” soured.

“He hugged them so close that when things went sideways, that love quickly turned to hate,” Peter Feaver, a professor of political science and public policy at Duke University, said in an interview. “By the end of his term, he was attacking the military in very personalized ways, much more dramatically than previous presidents.”

On the 2024 campaign trail, Trump has said he’d ***** what he calls “woke” generals. 

“It would be legal because the president has the authority to pick and choose who are senior officers, but the system normally tries to take partisan politics out of that calculation as much as possible and only pick who are the best military officers based on experience and professional confidence,” Feaver said. 

Harris’ campaign, too, has touted endorsements from former national security officials and included retired military leaders. The officials may choose to endorse, but Feaver says such a list from either party “has the effect of sucking the military deeper into partisan politics.”

Unlike Trump, neither Mr. Biden nor Harris have feuded with military leaders, but there was a disconnect during the 2021 Afghanistan withdrawal between the planning by civilian leaders in the State Department and White House and the military planning out of the Pentagon. 

As it turned chaotic, there was “some finger pointing” about who was at fault, Feaver said. Then, soon after the withdrawal, the civilian leadership at the White House and State Department worked with the military in the lead-up to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, marking a “more positive experience” from a civilian-military point of view, Feaver said.

Defense policy plans, national defense strategy and spending 

In terms of defense long-term strategy, the Trump and Biden administrations were for the most part on the same page. 

The 2018 National Defense Strategy written by Defense Secretary James Mattis during the Trump administration pointed to Russia and China as the greatest threats to ********* national defense, and the 2022 strategy written by Austin describes China as the “pacing challenge” long-term and Russia as a threat in the near-term.  

“Mattis and therefore Trump really prioritized both Russia and China, and Biden really prioritized China,” Michael O’Hanlon, the Phil Knight Chair in Defense and Strategy at the Brookings Institution, said in an interview. “But the Austin team publicly acknowledged that they were essentially following in the tradition of Mattis and [Mark] Esper.”

The main difference between the two administrations on this is the defense budget, according to O’Hanlon, who said Trump initially increased the budget over inflation, whereas the Biden administration has kept the budget more static, keeping up with inflation but not exceeding it. 

There’s no guarantee a second Trump White House would look like the first or that Harris as commander-in-chief would follow the trajectory of the Biden White House, but in comparing the evidence of both White Houses, Trump and Harris align somewhat on overall defense strategy if not on the more significant understanding of what the role of the military should be. 

Military advice 

The president is the commander-in-chief of the military and responsible for making decisions. Senior Pentagon leaders offer advice to the president, but ultimately, it’s up to the president to decide on using military force. 

Presidents Trump and Biden in their opposition to the potential of “forever wars” that ensnare U.S. forces for decades have made decisions against the advice of military commanders. It’s hard to compare how Vice President Harris views military advice, since she has never held the role of commander-in-chief, but she has been in the room for Mr. Biden’s decisions. 

It’s ultimately the president’s decision on what advice to take, but during Trump’s tenure, some national security officials resigned or were fired after he decided against their recommendations. 

Among them was retired four-star Marine Corps General James Mattis who served as Trump’s first defense secretary. He resigned after Trump announced he would pull all U.S. forces out of Syria. Trump 

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that Mattis was the world’s “most overrated general.” 

Trump’s decision — against military advice — to draw down to 2,500 U.S. forces in Afghanistan led to Mr. Biden’s decision — also against military advice — to withdraw completely in 2021. Vice President Harris said during September’s presidential debate she supported Biden’s decision. 

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Eleanor Watson

Eleanor Watson is a CBS News multi-platform reporter and producer covering the Pentagon.

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