Diamond Member Pelican Press 0 Posted October 27 Diamond Member Share Posted October 27 This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up We took on This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up and forced them to pay out £2bn data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///ywAAAAAAQABAAACAUwAOw==Shivaun and Adam Raff Shivaun Raff and her husband, Adam, have been locked in a long-running legal battle with This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up “ This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up essentially disappeared us from the internet.” Launch days. They’re equal parts thrilling and terrifying for many start-up business founders, but they don’t get much worse than the one Shivaun Raff and her husband, Adam, experienced. It was June 2006 and the couple’s trailblazing price comparison website Foundem – one they had sacrificed well-paid jobs for and built from scratch – had just gone fully live. They didn’t know it at the time but that day, and those that followed, would mark the beginning of the end for their company. Foundem had been hit by a This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up search penalty, prompted by one of the search engine’s automatic spam filters. It pushed the website way down the lists of search results for relevant queries like “price comparison” and “comparison shopping”. It meant the couple’s website, which charged a fee when customers clicked on their product listings through to other websites, struggled to make any money. “We were monitoring our pages and how they were ranking, and then we saw them all plummet almost immediately, ” says Adam. While the launch day for Foundem didn’t go to plan, it would lead to the start of something else – a 15-year legal battle that culminated in a then This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up The case has been hailed as a landmark moment in the global regulation of Big Tech. This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up spent seven years fighting that verdict, issued in June 2017, but in September this year Europe’s top court – the ********* Court of Justice – rejected its appeals. This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up in their first interview since that final verdict, Shivaun and Adam explained that at first, they thought their website’s faltering start had simply been a mistake. “We initially thought this was collateral damage, that we had been false positive detected as spam,” says Shivaun, 55. “We just assumed we had to escalate to the right place and it would be overturned.” “If you’re denied traffic, then you have no business,” adds Adam, 58. The couple sent This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up numerous requests to have the restriction lifted but, more than two years later, nothing had changed and they said they received no response. Meanwhile, their website was “ranking completely normally” on other search engines, but that didn’t really matter, according to Shivaun, as “everyone’s using This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up ”. The couple would later discover that their site was not the only one to have been put at a disadvantage by This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up – by the time the tech giant was found guilty and fined in 2017 there were around 20 claimants, including Kelkoo, Trivago and Yelp. Adam, who had built a career in supercomputing, says he had the “eureka moment” for Foundem while smoking a ********** outside the offices of his previous employer. Then, price comparison websites were in their infancy, and each specialised in one particular product. But Foundem was different because it let customers compare a large range of products – from clothes to flights. “No-one else was anywhere close to this,” beams Shivaun, who herself had been a software consultant for several major global brands. In its 2017 judgement, the ********* Commission found that This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up had This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up Ten years before that, though – when Foundem launched – Adam says he had no reason to assume This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up was being deliberately anti-competitive over online shopping. “They weren’t really serious players,” he says. But by the end of 2008, the couple had started to suspect foul play. It was three weeks before Christmas and the pair received a message warning that their website had suddenly become slow to load. They thought it was a cyber *******, “but actually it was just that everyone had started visiting our website”, Adam laughs. Channel 5’s The Gadget Show had just named Foundem the best price comparison website in the ***. “And that was really important,” Shivaun explains, “because we then reached out to This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up and said, look, surely it’s not benefiting your users to make it impossible for them to find us. “And that still got from This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up , not a complete ignore, but a basically ‘bog off’.” “That was the moment we knew, OK, we need to ******,” says Adam. data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///ywAAAAAAQABAAACAUwAOw==data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///ywAAAAAAQABAAACAUwAOw==Foundem The couple went to the press, with limited success, and took their case to regulators in the ***, US, and Brussels. It was in the latter – with the ********* Commission (EC) – that the case eventually took off, with the launch of an antitrust investigation in November 2010. The couple’s first meeting with the regulators took place in a portable cabin in Brussels. “One of the things they said was if this is a systemic issue, why are you the first people we’re seeing?” Shivaun recalls. “We said we’re not 100% sure, but we suspect people are afraid, because all businesses on the internet essentially rely on This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up for the lifeblood that is their traffic.” ‘We don’t like bullies’ The couple were in a hotel room in Brussels, only a few hundred yards from the commission building, when competition commissioner Margarethe Vestager finally announced the verdict that they, and other shopping websites, had been waiting for. But there was no popping of champagne corks. Their focus then turned to making sure the EC enforced its decision. “I guess it was unfortunate for This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up that they did it to us,” Shivaun says. “We’ve both been brought up maybe under the delusion that we can make a difference, and we really don’t like bullies.” Even This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up ’s final defeat in the case last month did not spell the end for the couple. They believe This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up ’s conduct ******** anti-competitive and the EC is looking into it. In March this year, under its new Digital Markets Act, the commission opened an investigation into This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up ’s parent company, Alphabet, over whether it continues to preference its own goods and services in search results. A spokesperson for This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up said: “The CJEU [********* Court of Justice] judgment [in 2024] only relates to how we showed product results from 2008-2017. “The changes we made in 2017 to comply with the ********* Commission’s Shopping decision have worked successfully for more than seven years, generating billions of clicks for more than 800 comparison shopping services. “For this reason, we continue to strongly contest the claims made by Foundem and will do so when the case is considered by the courts.” The Raffs are also pursuing a civil damages claim against This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up , which is due to begin in the first half of 2026. But when, or if, a final victory comes for the couple it will likely be a Pyrrhic one – they were forced to close Foundem in 2016. The long ****** against This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up has been gruelling for them, too. “I think if we had known it was going to be quite as many years as it turned out to be we might not have made the same choice,” Adam admits. This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up # This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up #forced #pay #2bn This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up This is the hidden content, please Sign In or Sign Up Link to comment https://hopzone.eu/forums/topic/154708-we-took-on-google-and-forced-them-to-pay-out-%C2%A32bn/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
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